Service nightmare

Post by **ebdl** » 10 Jan 2006 06:20 pm

Ooh, ta very much Steve. Could be just the badger!

Post by **shimon340** » 10 Jan 2006 07:03 pm

after exams and ive got some more time im going to try to look into the types of leads needs for 340s...

Are you going to buy those HT leads? If so I wont bid on them

if you dont need them then I'll get them for my 343

all the best

shimon

Post by **ebdl** » 10 Jan 2006 07:09 pm

I've emailed the seller to see if he can tell me more about them (i.e. what the leads actually look like). If he doesn't get back to me I could buy them anyway and if they're no good to me you could have them for whatever they cost me... seem fair?

Post by **shimon340** » 10 Jan 2006 07:21 pm

seems fair! you get them and if they aint right I'll buy them from you.....

from memory, the coil was in two different places on the early 340. The 343 i think has it by the radiator ( as does my 1983 340 ) but from B reg onwards they moved it... maybe to where the Renix is?

where is the coil in your car and what year is your 340?

all the best

shimon

Website · Post by **antiekeradio** » 10 Jan 2006 07:29 pm

the very first 343's had the coil bolted onto the engine block!

later, they moved it to the firewall, next to the windscreen wiper motor.

I think the MKII versions have the coil near the radiator, from 1984 to 1986 the renix. finally, the renix went to the MKIII position.

Greetings Wouter

Post by **ebdl** » 10 Jan 2006 07:33 pm

Here's mine:

Up at the front of the engine bay, near the radiator. I think the changes took places in '83 which is possibly why I keep getting the wrong parts... mine was delivered to the first owner on 1st August 1983 and seems to have more in common with early than later cars.

Post by **shimon340** » 10 Jan 2006 08:31 pm

looks like our cars are the same then...

so if the leads dont fit yours I dont think they will fit mine. I think the only problem is the one to the coil being too short.

Ive found some more parts info for you... check out the post called

Ignition types for 1.4 340s in the general technical section

all the best

Post by **ebdl** » 11 Jan 2006 12:37 am

The problem is not the length of the cable, but that it has two female ends. Both the coil and distributor on my car have female connectors requiring a male end to the cable at each end. I'm going to play around with the car again tomorrow afternoon and hopefully get it going properly but I'd rather like a matching set of leads.

That pdf you posted looks helpful Shimon, but what manufacturer's parts do the numbers refer to?

Post by **shimon340** » 11 Jan 2006 05:00 pm

those are quinton hazel part numbers for igntion systems. The guy from there emailed me part numbers for the volvo 66 this morning and im waiting for a fax for the 340 stuff now.

Im going to keep posting all the parts info that I find.......

Re the cable... this is just like my 240 2.1 which needs a male connector at each end of the cable. I simply got a double ended one from a local car parts shop. It works and is cool. However, Im subsequentially learning from wouter that you need to check resistances for different cables...

Ive changed the cables on my 1983 340 for silcone ones without a problem. however, wouter said these have a higher resistance than the originals....im a bit confused now

need to do some more research for this one!

however, quinton hazel list the parts for your car and I have a list of their stockist on manchester

here are three of them for manchester..ive got andrew pages number for you.......

Steves Super Spares
350 Gt Cheetham St East, Salford, M7 4UJ

Andrew Page Ltd
Unit 9, Lapwing Court, Salford, M5 3EY
Tel : 0161 848 7557 (Sales)

Manager: JASON HANRAHAN

TMS Autoparts
272-274 Oldham Road, M35 0HB

look forward to hearing all about any updates!!!

Website · Post by **antiekeradio** » 11 Jan 2006 05:08 pm

the high resistance does not automatically give trouble, but it might tip your spark voltage over the edge when other components (point, condensor, cap, plugs) are getting marginal....

with a RENIX ignition there is far less to worry about

Post by **shimon340** » 11 Jan 2006 05:34 pm

i see!!

thanks for the info wouter!

my 240 has a breaker ignition so that would apply here...

for the Renix there is less to woory about... cool

PS dya know where I could get the ignition maps for the B13, B14 and B17. do you think the daf club might have these?

alternatively, Im going to try volvo but being a renault engine it might all be archived at renault and ive never contacted them for technical info before.........

thanks mate for the info

Post by **shimon340** » 11 Jan 2006 05:49 pm

info for you to ask your motor shop

these are quinton hazel parts

Volvo 340 1.4 Delco 1979-1983

Contact set - XCS121
Condensor - XCON78
Distributor cap - XD82
Rotor arm - XR103
Ignition coil - XIC8029

Volvo 340 1.4 Ducellier 1976-1978
Contact set – XCS90
Condensor – XCON79
Distributor cap – XD314
Rotor arm – XR104
Ignition coil –XIC8029

Volvo 340 1.4 Ducellier 1978- 1983
Contact set – XCS90
Condensor – XCON79
Distributor cap –XD140
Rotor arm – XR104
Ignition coil –XIC8029

Volvo 340 1.4 Ducellier 1983 onwards ( Renix )
Ignition module – XEI4
Condensor – N/A
Distributor cap – XD141
Rotor arm – XR160
Ignition coil –XIC 8076

Not sure why its lists ignition module and coil… unless module refers to the control unit mounted on the wing and ignition coil refers to the actual renix unit on the inner wing

Volvo 340 1.4 SEV 1979-1983
Contact set – XCS149
Condensor – XCON123
Distributor cap – XD125
Rotor arm – XR77
Ignition coil – XIC8029

Volvo 340 1.7 B172

Ignition module – XE14
Condensor – n/a
Distributor cap – XD158
Rotor arm – XR159
Ignition coil –XIC8076

Lists the ignition module and ignition coil as the same for a 1.4 and 1.7…. odd!

Website · Post by **antiekeradio** » 11 Jan 2006 05:51 pm

PS dya know where I could get the ignition maps for the B13, B14 and B17. do you think the daf club might have these?

alternatively, Im going to try volvo but being a renault engine it might all be archived at renault and ive never contacted them for technical info before.........

ignitions were remapped by volvo !!
(due to volvo-specific carburettors)

I guess the info is @ Volvo Netherlands (Beesd)

the numbers of the archive sheets you want are on a paper I posted on V3C once;

greetings Wouter

Post by **ebdl** » 11 Jan 2006 05:52 pm

Ignition system is now operating successfully

Due to a certain level of incompetence on my part this ended up involving the AA man, but this turned out to be a bit of a bonus (or maybe not).

It seems that the majority of my running problems are because my carb is generally buggered and needs a thorough refurb or replacement

At least I know the ignition parts are all working properly though

Post by **shimon340** » 11 Jan 2006 06:22 pm

volvo remapped the ignitions

fantastic!! volvo archives are excellent! this is cool might be able to get this info from the archives then...

So volvo used different carbs to renault and therefore different ignition systems and maps?

okey dokey... cheers for the info wouter!