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Post by Stuntman » 18 May 2006 09:46 am

So, just a dumb question, how strong are the standard steelies, would the put up with sideways corners and doughnuts etc without to much trouble, or is warping a factor that will easily put them out of commision?
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Post by redline » 18 May 2006 09:51 am

surely steels are stronger than alloys arent they ,
aluminium is a softer metal than steel and as most steel wheels dont have any shapes cut out of them they should be inherently stronger
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Post by Cornholio » 18 May 2006 10:05 am

My first two had steel wheels and seemed to be fine :D
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Post by Chris_C » 19 May 2006 12:02 am

I've been running mine sideways for 5 years (on the same set, as I'm a cheap skate and have swapped the tyres over when I swap cars ;)) So yeah, steels should be ok. I'm with Mick, the material itself is stronger, and a lot of the thin alloy designs are weak.
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Post by foggyjames » 19 May 2006 01:58 am

'Normal' alloys are about the same strength, as they're a lot thicker. Very expensive alloys are both stronger and lighter...but that can't be said for any of the stock Volvo rims!

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Post by Stuntman » 19 May 2006 09:15 am

thanks chaps. Well it looks like that may be the first option ;)
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Post by antiekeradio » 19 May 2006 09:45 am

steel rims have a lower yielding point, but they just bend a bit if it is passed. to fail totally, massive forces are required.

Alloy wheels usually take more of a beating before they give way, but fail totally, and instantly. The "Crack" comes later but its fast and final.

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Post by jtbo » 19 May 2006 11:15 am

There was chapter in Auto Bild magazine recently about quality of cheap alloys and one wheel cracked in stress test even it had TUV certificate, problem was that manufacturer had used different grade alloy to production line or there was something in alloy that should not been there eg. dirt, rocks or something like that.

One wheels that I have dreamed are nice, only 2,9kg each, guess how much they do cost?
In US set $1200+ :shock: sm87
17" version has known to be sold around 1600£ new set, approx 1000£ used in UK and that wheel has around $200 less price per new wheel in US.

Of course I would get them in 14", I have not found any reason to get bigger, wider and lower profile than stock 14" naturally to make it grip, but if speedo looks wrong, it is minor thing.
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Post by Japper » 19 May 2006 12:46 pm

I like your homemade R-sport rims. They're originally from a 440 or 480 turbo are they not?
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Post by redline » 19 May 2006 01:28 pm

foggyjames wrote:'Normal' alloys are about the same strength, as they're a lot thicker. cheers James
what about the design on some , couldent thin spokes be a potential weak point if subjected to "unusual " sideways pressure such as when drifting ?
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Post by 340GLT » 19 May 2006 03:00 pm

Yeh late 480 turbo wheels!!!
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Post by Chris_C » 19 May 2006 04:29 pm

Yeah, you are right Mick, there are a fair few designs (especially the larger sizes) that end up being weaker than steels
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Post by foggyjames » 19 May 2006 05:11 pm

Note how much thicker (front to back) alloy spokes tend to be. I agree that uber-skinny 5-spokes must be a problem area - although rubbish hefty ones are probably weaker.

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Post by Ali » 19 May 2006 05:39 pm

TBH I wouldn't really worry about the strength of alloys, i'm pretty sure other things are going to fail in drifting before those!
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Post by Omar » 20 May 2006 08:04 pm

nice wheels 8)
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