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Choke Flaps
Posted: 14 May 2007 01:04 pm
by fume
Is the 1.4 weber carb supposed to have one or two choke flaps? All other carbs i have had experience of have only had one but the carb i have now seems to have had one removed, also the picture in the haynes manual seems to show the carb with two. Any ideas?.
Posted: 14 May 2007 02:07 pm
by IvanS.
1.4 have two choke flaps.
It could be removed to save fuel.
One is open if you go under 80-90 km/h and another one opens if you speed up to 100 km/h and above.
Then say goodbye to fuel.
Posted: 14 May 2007 02:45 pm
by Frits
It's normal. The weber is a two trap carb, wich says that under a certain "powerneed" Only one trap is used. With a cold engine you never use the second trap, so there was no need to mount a choke flap to the second trap.
(the 343's did had a second flap, but it is rubbish)
A flap is not good for the air flow.
Posted: 14 May 2007 02:50 pm
by fume
That makes sense if the 343 had one, i couldn't see any reason for a second flap, surely with the choke pulled out fully and both barrels closed it would use huge amounts of fuel!
Posted: 14 May 2007 04:27 pm
by IvanS.
Ouch... i didn't realise you're talking about diesel.
They do not have it. I see no reason why should they have it.
340 1.4 GL have two chokes, and it " eat gas for lunch '.
Posted: 14 May 2007 04:49 pm
by Frits
Diesel?
Posted: 14 May 2007 07:46 pm
by germ
what chokes we talking about?
choke chokes? for cold start up?
if so you can gain power/eficiancy from removing them but it makes em difficalt to start when cold
racing/rally cars that arent allowed different carbs/manifold change have chokes removed for extra 1-2hp
i know it makes a larger differnce on twin 40 solexes on the phh's 6hp on the dyno difference :S the car started up fine in the cold but you need to sit in it with throttel on a bit
i dont see why it would need 2 chokes unless it was set up for 2 as its only extra well choking.
Cheers
will-ps didnt know they made a 1.4 diesel

Posted: 14 May 2007 11:47 pm
by IvanS.
To frits : DL's here are mostly diesels, i forgot that they are not 1.4 litre

. Never seen an 343 working on benzine yet. Seen 345.
To germ : Diesel was available in some 340 and in 360 with 1.6 ( i also heard for 1.9 litre Renault engine )
Sorry for disinformation. My mistake

Posted: 15 May 2007 08:30 am
by fume
Yes i am talking about the flap connected to the manual choke cable. I am just curious whilst at the same time trying to cure a cold start problem. The car will start with the choke pulled fully out but will then cut out, i have to push the choke half in and blip the throttle to keep it running. Once it is warmed up it is fine and in fact goes really well.
Posted: 15 May 2007 10:17 pm
by pettaw
That's likely to be the pneumatic choke not working and using engine vacuum to open the choke flaps once the engine has started. Sounds like a carb rebuild is indicated.
Posted: 17 May 2007 08:34 am
by fume
Thanks for that, i have managed to get the car running better bit by bit since i picked it up by changing the usual suspects but this one problem remains, i will now look into either replacing or rebuilding the carb.
Posted: 17 May 2007 08:28 pm
by foggyjames
If you pull the choke out beyond halfway with Nessy's new engine (but the original carb), it refuses to start. Wierd...
cheers
James
Posted: 18 May 2007 10:36 am
by fume
Seemed to be a bit happier this morning, pulled choke out fully it fired then wanted to stall, pushed in half way did idle, a bit lumpy but did idle. It has had loads of redex and carb cleaner in it, so before i do anything to radical may just wait and see.
Posted: 04 Sep 2007 08:44 am
by fume
The car has now had a rebuilt carb fitted and setup, and also the fuel lines replaced. I couldn't stand the smell any longer!. I still have a problem though with it starting from cold. The new carb has transformed the way the car drives but it still won't run on choke without coughing and spluttering, I am wondering if it has a crack in the inlet manifold or similar that closes when the engines warms up and metal expands.
Any ideas?
Posted: 04 Sep 2007 12:37 pm
by Jason B
Stupid question probably, but is the idle speed raising sufficiently when the choke is fully out? if no then that could be why the engine stalls very quickly?
Not that I actually know much about carbs
Cheers
Jason