Oops! - * RHD 340DL 5dr Hatch 1.6 DIESEL*

[Speedy88]

After driving the 205 for a bit I've gotten evil thoughts about putting the engine in a 360. I think it'd go well, all you'd need is a vacuum pump for the brakes and about 6 wires Oh and somehow mate that turny thing to the other turny thing.

Er, no.
If youre gonna go to the bother, at least put a DTurbo in.

The problem is electronics. I suppose I could do the XUD9 or the Izuzu but options are limited.

[volvosneverdie]

After driving the 205 for a bit I've gotten evil thoughts about putting the engine in a 360. I think it'd go well, all you'd need is a vacuum pump for the brakes and about 6 wires Oh and somehow mate that turny thing to the other turny thing.

Er, no.
If youre gonna go to the bother, at least put a DTurbo in.

The problem is electronics. I suppose I could do the XUD9 or the Izuzu but options are limited.

Hmmm. Hadnt really considered that like.

Good point man.

[Speedy88]

It is possible to do it with a full loom transplant but yeah, it's a reet pain. I'm of the mindset now that if any diesel is going to be a pain, may as well make it one that is mechanical and will work 99% of the time.

[L14MNP]

A D Turbo lump is mechanical though. Would be no harder to wire and plumb in than the mechanical nasp you were planning dude.

[jtbo]

I have Dturbo, it is XUD9TE, there is not much of electronics in this one, shut down solenoid and some sensors, then some not needed stuff like EGR.

Those DW engines are perhaps better in fuel economy (I think that some of those were also called DTurbo), but I doubt that one can get such go much less than what one can do with XUD9TE, with this how you drive has quite bit of effect, but I think that with DW series computer brain is doing the same or trying at least, but my experience is that I could do better if computer would not assists me at all.

DW engine with custom brain would be something that would be best, something with custom boost table and getting rid of those 'feel the power' settings which are made car feel more powerful by multiplying low throttle input changes, well I think it has such as many of such 'modern' has those, that is easily increasing consumption.

Programming for low diesel consumption would result a lot better results, imo.

However timing of injection is quite critical and one needs really fast performing box for that.

So it is easier to go with XUD9TE, with swapping of turbo and intercooler you can get easily 1.5bar boost too and it will tear drivetrain apart if not being careful with it, probably standard XUD9TE is already going to be too much for 340 driveline. Good thing with diesel is that you can get pretty silly amounts of boost.

However best improvement for mine was adding limit pressure valve so that wastegate is not opening before max boost is achieved, bad part of that is that there is quite lot of power at low rpm and it tends to kill transmission and tires if one is not careful, no flooring at low gears anymore, too much power for weak parts.

I don't really know how much power mine has at summer tune, but it is enough, when overtaking 3rd to 4th shift is when switching lanes and at 4th speed is still increasing enough fast to cause me big trouble very soon, but with our short straights it is good to have power reserve.

In 300 that kind of power would be bit dangerous at wet I think, it is not the hp but torque and how it comes quite quickly so one would have to be on his toes with 2nd gear in 300, but it would be of course case with any motor that makes such amount of torque and so quick.

However when I'm driving normally I don't use any boost at all and especially now at winter time it is only 1bar and wastegate is starting to open immediately grip is so much less than there is no point to have lot of power.

[Speedy88]

Another mechanical TD that could be used is the Iveco, also similar in reliability although perhaps not quite as good in performance. A guy over on RR runs one in an old 50s Ford F150 and it really doesn't go that much Efficient though.

[jtbo]

Vauxhall, Isuzu, those had diesel which was good for performance mods, right? Might be bit of work to get it installed though, mounts and rotating things...

[Speedy88]

What I have noticed is that good mpgs have less to do with which diesel you fit (well, the XUDs are a bit special) but more to do with the aerodynamics and weight. For example, anything tall and flat fronted like Delicas, pickups etc might well have a decent engine but still only do 25mpg at best. Very interesting.

[jtbo]

Having 3 cylinders instead of 4 is also interesting in mpg wise, there is a LOT less mechanical losses, one reason also why D24 is so thirsty for a diesel and why there is no torque.

Ideal is of course to have 0.5litres per cylinder, so 1.5litre turbo diesel in 3 cylinders only would be one of the best choices for good mpg, there would still be the power potential to enough good performance but steady highway driving would consume quite little diesel. There are not many of such as with 3 cylinder there tend to be some harmonic vibrations that are not quite good for long life of motor or ride comfort, it is more difficult to design such good working motor.

There is also ratio of stroke and cylinder diameter etc. D24 should have displacement of 3 litres to have that 0.5l per cylinder, also it should have longer stroke, so that it would be more like diesel motor, it is more like petrol motor as how it is, but it lacks of power of petrol motor and it lacks of torque of diesel motor, however I like from sound of that and it is better than XUD motor because of that

Anyway longer the stroke more economical motor can be, that is what I think.

[macplaxton]

Well the Mrs was mumbling the other day something about looking for a replacement car for the Pug 106. 3 doors and a small boot aren't really enough for her. She was wondering if I was bringing in the Y-reg over from Glasgow, but I said I couldn't do it before the end of August as the Vehicle Registration Tax would be horrendous (720 EUR). It also wouldn't solve the problem of the number of doors available.

Anyway, I did ask here at what point she would really need this car and she said well Oct/Nov maybe.

So I fessed up that I already had one in the pipeline that had the requisite number of doors...

My balls are still intact and all I need to do now is get cracking and start working on the thing, which should happen when the house move is done.

[MCHUDD]

Hi Mate.
You seem to have worked that one in well
Cheers Mark.

[jtbo]

Have you been driven diesel regularly now? If so, what impressions you have gotten from it in use?

Here they did up the diesel price so that it is now same to drive at petrol, especially if you drive only a little as tax is so heavy per year, so personally I have even less interest to diesel 340 model, however I find myself looking ads for Geo Metro or Suzuki Swift as it was called here, don't know what it was called on your place, that or maybe 5spd 1.4 as early as possible, so maybe bit lighter in weight and thus better economy.

[macplaxton]

Not driven it all since the day I bought it.

Diesel is about 2c a litre cheaper here, but fuel consumption should be streets ahead of a Vario, so that'll offset the annual motor tax bill. It's €52 for a year if the car is over 30 years old, but it'd be €478 for the diesel.

There's a good bit of work to do before I present it to the clowns that do the NCT (MOT)

[jtbo]

Not driven it all since the day I bought it.

Diesel is about 2c a litre cheaper here, but fuel consumption should be streets ahead of a Vario, so that'll offset the annual motor tax bill. It's €52 for a year if the car is over 30 years old, but it'd be €478 for the diesel.

There's a good bit of work to do before I present it to the clowns that do the NCT (MOT)

Ah, my vario is first one that I have bought and not driven much at all after buying, really odd, I don't know anything about my car

Diesel is around 5l/100km, on highway afaik, vario might be tad higher but I guess it depends quite bit from speed I would imagine at least.

Belt drive of 343 is more efficient than gearbox, well it would be if there would be one direction change less, not so sure about how it is with how it is laid out currently.

Difference from there should not be more than few % though and on highway it is perhaps on highest setting constantly when working, so it comes only to rpm by speed difference mostly I guess.

French crap is tad heavier than 340 diesel (our tax is by weight) and for that it is bit over 530 euros for a year, so I guess 340 diesel would be close to same here, vario was around 75, but I think it is close to 100 in future as they will up the taxes after one year lower tax. Even electric car owners will pay here several different taxes as it is new ecological based taxing system that will punish the old vehicles and especially those that can carry loads of any kind.

Anyway for high taxes and poor roads

[macplaxton]

Well check out the links in my sig for the appalling fuel consumption figures I manage in a Vario. Best I've had on a run in the '82 was 8.3l/100km. In the mix, I'm lucky to get under 10l

I'm looking forward to slowness and 5l economy.

Motor tax here for cars under 30 years old up to mid-2008 is sub 1000cc then 100cc bands up to 3000cc. A sub 1 litre car (such as the wife's Pug 106, Irish market 954cc wheezer) is €185 p.a. A 3 litre+ car is and eye watering €1683 p.a. Post 2008 is emissions based and <120g/km is €160, rising to 226+g/km is €2258. (and folk think they are robbed in the UK. Not so )