Anyone know anything about 960 engines?

[Speedy88]

Ello. Does anyone on here know what 960 engines are like reliability wise in comparison to a redblock? The inline 6 petrol, not the australian market v6 or diesel.

The power output is good and I expect they'd sound nice too.

As for drivetrain allignment in say a 360 (just theorising right now, don't worry), do they share the same bellhousing bolt pattern of the standard redblock?

[jtbo]

Bolt pattern is perhaps smallest from issues, you would need to move firewall and shorten torque tube etc as engine bay is too short in 360 to fit engine there, I have seen pics from such project, I think I have posted them here too to some thread which is almost impossible to find.

Or was it some more modern twin turbo inline-6? Can't remember, but it will be same for any around 3 litre inline six, they are so long that one needs quite bit of custom work, which probably means that making adapter is not much of issue in the process, but don't know if needed, can't remember, but M90 was gearbox in those? They swap M90 to redblocks, so maybe?

[Speedy88]

Ahh I didn't realise they were quite that long. Reliability wise are they ok though? 960s are going very cheap right now.

[jtbo]

I haven't heard nothing bad about reliability, also I have image of bomb proof on my mind, but can't really say that I could remember hearing that either.

S80 T6 is shorter, but I'm afraid it still is bit too long?

T5 is perhaps absolutely maximum in length, but I think that even with that one there had to be some arrangements, too long since I did read from such stuff

V8 is easier as those are not much longer than 4 pots, V6 should be easier, there is so much more width than length to spare, but there are difficulties no matter how it is made.

One issue with any nice motor will be front crossmember, even with redblock they had to change oil pump pickup and to have different oil pan, that will be on way with any motor, I think.

Twin charged 1.4 might give bit fun tad easier, but still having some nice challenges in build

I was thinking that fitting 960 six might be easier if one would put it in mid engine configuration, floor is perhaps easier to open and when you mount engine directly to box it is one trouble less, besides lot of hot sports car comes with mid engine configuration

[SteveP]

960's are strong. Probably not as robust as a redblock (but what is?!). But certainly very reliable. Ask Pete/Rupert - they've both owned a 2.5 one for a while. As for fitment in a 360 I think it would only just physically fit. You'd be better off with a 2.5 20v 5cyl if you wanted to fit a whiteblock to a 360. It's also a lot fo work for a sub 200bhp engine when a Redblock turbo will easily do that (although wont quite sound as nice!)

[jtbo]

I think that that engine was already one of those flat torque curve models, maybe turbo version only was such, but any flat torque engine needs repairing, those are not very nice as there is no kick/push.

B6304S would have at least bit better torque than 2.5 litre version, engines are indentical except longer stroke in bigger motor. If someone would made that, it would be at least different and even in NA form it should move car some pace, but it is big task to make motor fit.

There was perfectly good reason why firewall of car needed to be cut, but I can't remember anymore what that was, either moving it backwards or cutting and making room that way was needed, if nothing else, it would be needed to get weight distributed better, having motor to sit more forward is not too great thing.

Try google translation on this page, it maybe reveals some things, but it does not say on page why he had to move engine more backwards and then cut firewall, but there are pics. maybe you get some thoughts from it:
http://timo.eipaha.com/volvo-360-projekti/

[volvosneverdie]

960's are strong. Probably not as robust as a redblock (but what is?!). But certainly very reliable.

Unless youre FilthyJohn.
He killed one with his boot.

An auto too.

[SteveP]

I believe that redblock in question was briefly running infinite boostu

[jtbo]

I believe that redblock in question was briefly running infinite boostu

Probably would have been perfectly okay if there would of been enough fuel to add into mix, just ripping apart something from the driveline

[Nimminz]

my dad had a 960 3l 6-cyl, had an auto box that went wrong but the engine ran perfect on 120k miles

i always wondered about the b28, v6 redblock

[Speedy88]

Yeah would be cool but getting one back from the other side of the world might be expensive. I also imagine they're quite rare going on how many volvos still survive in oz/japan.

[Nimminz]

did they not put them in 760's or something over here?

[jtbo]

Yeah would be cool but getting one back from the other side of the world might be expensive. I also imagine they're quite rare going on how many volvos still survive in oz/japan.

Isn't that PRV, which is used in for example in some Laguna models just a bit improved version? Even DeLorean has that engine, imo.

264/265 had it too, also some 760 models, just different stage, I doubt it being that much different. There was some parts that you needed from Volvo version to get never Renault version in, but certainly you should not need to get it from other side of world, those should be plenty in France if not even in UK.

[Nimminz]

aye,PRV b27 was used in 260's then upgraded to b28 which was used in 760 + dmc-12 then b280 used in 760/780

(just looked it up on wikipedia lol)

[Speedy88]

Ohh right, I didn't realise that. I thought it was only their markets. Wonder what they sound like?