Transmission line loudspeakers?

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Transmission line loudspeakers?

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Thank you to everyone who replied to my query about speakers, etc. I took the old ones out yesterday and have found a Clarion pair that are almost identical, so I'll try dropping those in and running them off the VC608 for the short term.

I got to wondering about what to do with the cavity. At first, I thought of stiffening the door card and adding some damping to the metal. However, some of the nicest domestic loudspeakers that I've met have been transmission lines. PMC have shown that such a design can be just as successful in a small, stand-mount speaker (DB1+) as in a large floorstander.

I seem to recall that the cross-sectional area of a line needs to be equal to the radiating area of the cone, so with a 4" driver that is practically nothing. The question, then, is will there be space in the cavity to fold a long enough (1-1.5m) line. I've never taken the door card off, so don't know what complications await in terms of door and window mechanisms.

Has anyone tried this before? Maybe the line could be built onto the door card and run around any obstructions?

It's just an idea and may be a none-starter. Of course, putting a transmission line behind a 4" driver isn't going to magically provide 130dB at 35Hz. It may, though, help produce a better sound than the stock mounts.

Maybe I should stop being lazy and have a look for myself...

Now then, what about taking out the back seat and casting a concrete exponential horn???
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ha, I've no idea about the door card, having never taken it off, but if you go lower than the speaker, I can't see you having fouling problems.

I remember seeing the Fuel Dodge Challenger at donnington a few years ago (i think i was at monsters of rock, may have been the first download tho)

that has a pair of 24" subs right behind the front seats and 4 horns on a raising section of the boot that comes up with the spoiler on hydrolics.... that's be FUUUUUN
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Oh.... it was damn fast aswell, watched it do a lap of the track later on.... mmmmm 7litre V12 sm69
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d3k4y0 wrote:if you go lower than the speaker, I can't see you having fouling problems.
Thank you!
d3k4y0 wrote:that has a pair of 24" subs right behind the front seats and 4 horns on a raising section of the boot that comes up with the spoiler on hydrolics....
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Bumpity....

The short answer...I wouldn't bother. Modern cars can make do with 5.25" or 6.5" door speakers because they're quiet, but 300s...nooo way. I can get a nice full, punch bass sound at a high level (to be fair, something few stock systems can do, even in premium cars) in my car at 80mph+, but then I have a 10" driver powered by 150w of amp power (yes, that sounds unimpressive...but then the amp in question doesn't lie about it's power rating... :wink: ). Having said that, the provision of LF is nothing more than 'adequate'.

In that context, you're not going to get results you'll like using 4" drivers. I've tried using just my 5.25" components in the doors (again driven from my 'real' 4x45w power amp), and it's moderately effective up to about 30mph. I've also tried using quality compact hi-fi speakers - again effective to about 30mph.

If you want to improve the LF extention, the steps I'd suggest are..
1) Fit a/some dedicated LF driver(s). 6" drivers in the front footwell kick panels would work nicely.
2) Amplify properly
3) Deaden vehicle noise as much as possible

www.talkaudio.co.uk is a good place for car audio related discussion too.

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Woo-hoo. Thanks, James. Sounds like good advice. Thanks for the link, too.

I'd thought of using the line more to 'tidy up' the bottom end, than to add extra depth, etc.. However, I'm more than happy to take your advice and not bother!

Yes, subs in the footwells are looking like the most likely proposition at the moment.

First of all, though, we need to get Rory's few spots of rust sorted before the winter comes along...
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We must meet up when I get back to Derby in a couple of weeks...and you can have a listen to my setup.

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foggyjames wrote:We must meet up when I get back to Derby in a couple of weeks...and you can have a listen to my setup.

cheers

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No, that's V6 Man... :mrgreen:

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foggyjames wrote:We must meet up when I get back to Derby in a couple of weeks...and you can have a listen to my setup.
Oooh, mummy told me never to talk to people like you.

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Great, I'd love to.

Thanks!

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