Crazy Tuning Ideas

Post by **Duvel78** » 04 Aug 2004 02:29 pm

Yep, the topic was here

http://www.volvo300mania.com/forum2/fto ... hlight=ecu

Post by **Lonewolf** » 07 Aug 2004 02:51 pm

Yep, found it, cheers.

Say, are the newer volvo engines all externally similar to the early versions in terms of dimensions? like is the B4204 any larger than a B200, or a B6304 any larger than a B30 for example?

Post by **foggyjames** » 08 Aug 2004 02:37 am

Well they're bound to be *similar*. Obviously the multivalve units will have a larger head. But you don't wanna be thinking about that anyway, as the whiteblocks are weaker engines, eg: rods all done by 300bhp vs 400-500 for a redblock.

cheers

James

Post by **Lonewolf** » 08 Aug 2004 03:51 am

ok, cause i found a B6304 engine. (V6 3L DOHC, from S80)
All i'm wanting to do is chase a streetable 360 hp at the wheels without a turbo, the engine already pulls 200 hp so i was thinking that it could be a good possible engine swap, i'm still seeing what paths i could take as it'll still be a few weeks before i'll be able to do the engine swap and i'd like to make sure i choose the right engine to swap to.

Post by **foggyjames** » 08 Aug 2004 11:31 am

Oh right....well it won't fit without MAJOR surgery as its too long....but it'd be an awesome swap. I'd track down a B280 which would fit a lot better....then go nitrous

They're 170 as standard, so not that far off the B6304.

cheers

James

Post by **Lonewolf** » 08 Aug 2004 03:57 pm

So its a bit to long... well i guess then that room would have to be made (pulls out the axe)

seriously though i might go see how much space it needs, cause i'll probably pull a lot of sh!t out of the engine bay when doing the swap to engine X, and while it may take a bit of doing, the question i ask myself is - Whats gonna take less resources? fitting the B280 and then finding 30hp, or squashing in the B6304?

PS: Nos is effectively illegal (cannot be hooked up to a road registered vehicle) and very expensive in australia (or i dont know the right people yet) so its not an option unless you know any nos factories that can be raided, as for the police side i'm sure i'd be able to hide it somewhere
"no sir... the're reserve tanks... the car runs on lpg..."

Post by **foggyjames** » 08 Aug 2004 06:11 pm

Given that the B200 only has about 4" to spare at the front, I think you'll struggle to fit an engine with two more cylinders in-line in there! You'd probably need to chop the firewall / bulkhead and recess the engine into the passenger compartment! The simplest way to get big bhp from a NA engine would actually be to build a worked redblock...so swap in a Penta AQ171 (2.5 16v) and get some cams custom ground...or make a hot 8v with a 2.5 Penta stroker crank. There are some very hot 8v cams available (GT6 for example).

cheers

James

Post by **Tom** » 08 Aug 2004 06:45 pm

I love how those hot rods have the stock wheels on the front and big whopping monster wheels on the back!

Post by **jtbo** » 08 Aug 2004 06:50 pm

I have seen pictures from 300 serie Volvo that had Volvo 164's 3 litre inline 6 installed. But what I saw from pictures it has been major mod and it was not for street.

Post by **foggyjames** » 08 Aug 2004 10:40 pm

I'd like to see the pics, as (as I'm sure you know), there's barely room for the 4 cylinder motor. I've heard of a B280 in a 360, but never an inline 6.

cheers

James

Post by **jtbo** » 08 Aug 2004 10:59 pm

foggyjames wrote:I'd like to see the pics, as (as I'm sure you know), there's barely room for the 4 cylinder motor. I've heard of a B280 in a 360, but never an inline 6.

cheers

James

I need to thank Fuse for pointing link to this in Finnish forum

http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/seitenneliskanttinen

As you can see, it is major mod

Post by **Duvel78** » 08 Aug 2004 11:05 pm

jtbo wrote: As you can see, it is major mod

Yes!!! LOL

Where is the dashboard? lol Very funny the bottle under the bonnet

Post by **Fuse** » 08 Aug 2004 11:43 pm

jtbo wrote: I need to thank Fuse for pointing link to this in Finnish forum

Whaat. You must have mistaken.

It was 1st who posted it but thanks anyway!

Post by **jtbo** » 09 Aug 2004 06:08 am

Fuse wrote:
jtbo wrote: I need to thank Fuse for pointing link to this in Finnish forum
Whaat. You must have mistaken. It was 1st who posted it but thanks anyway!

LOL, I should not use computer that late, error percentage rises dramatically

Post by **DaButcher** » 24 Sep 2004 08:07 am

Hi,

I just have some words for some of your thoughts here:

First of all, b6304 is not V6! It's an INLINE6! eg. all cylinders in one row!
Second of all, b27-b280 is a V6. It's also known as PRV6, since it was a joint venture of Peugot, Renault and Volvo.

The b27-b280 is not so good! There is a lot of problems with it and I would never do an retrofittment of such an engine in my car.

Here comes the third point:
B6304 is NOT PRV!! Volvo made this engine in cooperation with porsches engineers! The engine is similar to the s80t6 engine, but its not the same engine.

All newer volvo engines are based on the consept of the b6304, which is a great consept! The b6304 is 3.0, row6, 24v, 204hp/267nm.

It has 80% of nm @ 1000rpm, full nm at 4500rpm (approx rpm).
204hp is at 6000rpm..

The newer version, b6304fs has 201hp. (95'->).
The newer version has a longer inteval om cam-belt-swap.

The size of the b6304? It's 4" longer than b230.
Since it's DOCH, it's some wider too, but it's much smaller than one might imagine!

The engine also looks incredibly nice!
I have the b6304 and it will soon be retrofitted into my volvo 242 1980'.

For further reference, there was a swedish sportscar, with the b6304.
The engine was in original form, connected to a 5speed tranny.
The car was 1000kg and did 0-100 in 6.5 seconds!

The 340 is some less than 1000kg, but the b6304 weighs 20kg more than b230. But you can always save some kg.. newer transmissions are alu, alu-rims, etc.

in other words, 0-100 in 6.5 is not impossible in the 340!
Remember you can also chip, put sports exhaust, remove the cat, put sportsfilter, etc.

then you will have around 240-250hp/320-330nm. And 0-100 in less than 6.5!

you will of course need wide tires.. lol.. 225 wide will be fine, I think!

I have thought about different engines for my car:
volvo b230et
volvo b230ft
volvo b230ft with volvo b234 head (16v)
rover 3.5 v8, which was over-bored, tuned, etc.
chevy 350
chevy 350tpi
volvo b36 (very rare v8)

one of the great things about the 960 engine, is fuel consumption! Also the power/weight ratio! It will use way less fuel than a turbo engine, way less than v8.

the rover 3.5 will use easy twice as much fuel as the b6304! (I talked to a swede who had the rover 3.5 in his 242).

on highway, the b6304 does 26mpg in the 960. The 960 is probobly 500kg heavier than the 340.

If you can fit the b6304 in the 340, do so!

ps. the engine is also great! there are several people in scandinavia which has lowered the comp, put on s80t6 twinturbo manifoil, larger turbos, etc. and pulled out some 600hp..

it's not as easy to tune the old engines, as it is with the newer.
I prefer n/a power.. then you dont have to let the engine cool-off, etc. also less maintainence