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Re: Damn that blower gone again.
Posted: 20 Apr 2013 07:34 pm
by Chris_C
I've used the resistors you have their Anjo to dump a lot of power, but they have got very very hot.
My thoughts are move to something more modern, the golf (mk2) pack I ran for a while has no exposed coils, not done loaded temp tests though. Worth seeing what a scrappy BMW mini has maybe (they are my current "modern car that people will support for years" hopeful)
Re: Damn that blower gone again.
Posted: 21 Apr 2013 06:27 pm
by Ride_on
The 940 resistor pack is a ceramic coated module, so may not need the cutout, or the 940 may have fire resistant plastic around it. We need to replicate the original fire safety mechanism or modify to not require it. We can't just use parts form other cars without knowing the full story.
Re: Damn that blower gone again.
Posted: 13 May 2013 01:44 pm
by mac
Been playing around!
My test box made and working.
Results:-
Input V = 12.4
Speed 1. Momentary 6A runs @ 2A Full air flow pack @ 42c - no air flow peaks @ 110c
Speed 2. Momentary 10A runs @ 4A Full airflow pack @ 18c - no airflow peaks @ 92c
Speed 3. Momentary 15A runs @ 6A Full airflow pack @ 16c - no airflow peaks @ 18c
Going to play some more!
Mac.
Re: Damn that blower gone again.
Posted: 16 May 2013 08:55 pm
by pettaw
Fantastic work Mac! Only a matter of time before you find a solution to this problem.
Re: Damn that blower gone again.
Posted: 16 May 2013 11:16 pm
by Chris_C
How did I miss this
Making decisions based on data, it'll never catch on

Re: Damn that blower gone again.
Posted: 17 May 2013 07:29 am
by SteveP
Fantastic work, watching with interest - especially as mine's broken

Re: Damn that blower gone again.
Posted: 17 May 2013 09:06 am
by mac
Ok chaps, I've now developed a technique to refurbish said resistors! I have had a couple of test units running on a rig for over 30mins on each speed with no problems. Blocking airflow or stalling motor causes the (new) thermal cutout to operate within 20secs. Restoring airflow allows almost instant automatic restart.
So far I have worked on the post 86 resistor pack that sits in "full" airflow, I have not yet looked at the earlier type that sits "upstream" of the fan in less airflow.
I would now like some guinea pigs (yes Steve - you?) with failed units who would be prepared to send them to me, (I will refurbish and return), and then "on car" test it in normal use.
Also I would like samples of the earlier (3 connection) unit to "play with".
If all works out as I hope I should be able to offer some sort of refurbishment or exchange scheme BUT I have to be sure we have a viable "long term" solution - and this means testing in the "real world" not just on a rig.
Mac.
Re: Damn that blower gone again.
Posted: 17 May 2013 09:34 am
by Chris_C
I have one or two "dead" ones saved here Mac, I could put them in the high speed getting things done pile (so it'll only take a couple of months?)
Re: Damn that blower gone again.
Posted: 17 May 2013 09:45 am
by volvomania
I've packed some already.
Re: Damn that blower gone again.
Posted: 17 May 2013 10:00 am
by SteveP
Looks great!! Happily be a guinea pig - I'll reply to your PM

Re: Damn that blower gone again.
Posted: 17 May 2013 06:34 pm
by Ride_on
Need the motor voltage(s) please if you still have it setup, and don't forget supply is more like 14V with engine running. Although relatively calculatable, I suppose I should work it out.
Re: Damn that blower gone again.
Posted: 17 May 2013 11:04 pm
by Ride_on
At 12.4v it should be about 8.8V and 4.4V, which would equate to about 4x6A and 6x3A diode (P600 in maplin eg, about 0.85-0.9V drop @4A), however they would still dissipate the same power as resistors just perhaps over a wider area.
A PWM controller would be more efficient but also more expensive and might whine, the replacement cut out is the most sensible.
Re: Damn that blower gone again.
Posted: 18 May 2013 02:39 pm
by mac
As requested -
3 packs now fettled
Input voltage 12.4
Pack 1 voltages at motor are 6.3, 9.5, 12.2.
Pack 2 voltages at motor are 6.5, 9.6, 11.8.
Pack 3. voltages at motor are 6.3, 9.6, 11.8.
Mac.
Re: Damn that blower gone again.
Posted: 18 May 2013 03:53 pm
by Ride_on
I guess the motor is not like a resistive load atall lol.
Re: Damn that blower gone again.
Posted: 23 May 2013 04:21 pm
by mac
Update
First customer "test" unit rec'd.
As received - with totally ff'd cut out.
Unit dismantled and Macs secret weapon employed,
The resistive coils nestling in the cleaning bath after the first session,
The rebuilt unit,
Fitted to the test rig,
And running at full speed!
Unit now posted back to guinea pig who will report in due course.
I will keep the forum advised.
Mac.