What to do with your French FWD tat

Post by **sven360** » 01 Dec 2006 09:33 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_6AyjDIqZA

However, it's a shame about the GP B Maxis and the early R4? rwd-what a waste of proper cars

Who'd be a navigator?

Post by **jtbo** » 02 Dec 2006 05:59 pm

I wonder, many seemed to have under damped suspension, maybe using gravel setup for tarmac or road suspension?

Also roll center have to be off on some cars as they flipped quite easily, it can't be that bad really?

Lot of LeCars wrecked in that video, hopefully nobody did not got hurt

Post by **volvorsport** » 02 Dec 2006 09:39 pm

its more oversprung than anything , you can see the spring rate is quite hard , thats because of the rear suspension design with torsion bars .

so setting them up for rallying was always a compromise

roll centers wouldnt cause them to turn over like that , the centre of gravity would .

Post by **jtbo** » 03 Dec 2006 04:04 pm

Sure center of gravity is what makes car roll, roll center will make things worse if that is too high, roll center can increase or reduce tendency to roll depending from height.

Usually car is just lowered and springs are changed to stiffer, that creates roll center problem and much more (damping for example), in some cases such setup is even worse at limit than stock setup.

I can't help thinking that with stiffer dampers many of those crashes would not happened, when setting up suspension it should not bounce back, no matter how crap it will be in other aspects, but never ever it should not bounce back as that is very dangerous, much more dangerous than excessive over steering.

Post by **sven360** » 21 Dec 2006 06:48 pm

Blatantly stolen from elsewhere but WTF

This is what should be done with 'em- find a tractor transmision,some superglue,sticky tape and bubble gum.Package it up and send to Mac-hey presto a week later after he's pelted a spare V12 , he had lying in his shed, at it- this is what ya get-

http://www.dailymotion.com/caprone/vide ... rthez-2006

Speaking of Mac-has anybody heard from him?

Post by **Nick C** » 21 Dec 2006 07:04 pm

Any idea what that car is? It reminds me of Andy Burton's 306 Cossie (which is a fantastic car, even if it does bear a passing resemblance to a peugeot...)

Post by **redline** » 21 Dec 2006 07:12 pm

back end looks like one of these but front end is younger , I'm sure its peugeot

http://www.mo-na-ko.net/images2/AutoPeu ... urbo01.jpg

Post by **Ali** » 21 Dec 2006 08:52 pm

Ah yeah seen that before, the R5 hitting that small wall where it bends the cage is naaasty, wonder if the link through to the front turrets helped or was the cause of the cage bending inside

Post by **Nick C** » 21 Dec 2006 09:04 pm

Yeah, it's definitely not a T16!

Post by **Carl** » 22 Dec 2006 12:08 am

I'm pretty sure that is a 205. Dimensions are about right, and I'm pretty sure they're ph1 rear lights like the T16 had. Looks like a T16 shell, with something like a 106 front end grafted on, and then a v12 chucked in the middle somewhere.

Whatever it is, I want a go!

Post by **jtbo** » 22 Dec 2006 01:09 am

Carl wrote:I'm pretty sure that is a 205. Dimensions are about right, and I'm pretty sure they're ph1 rear lights like the T16 had. Looks like a T16 shell, with something like a 106 front end grafted on, and then a v12 chucked in the middle somewhere.

Whatever it is, I want a go!

I would say it has 405 dakar rally car front lights, maybe bonnet and other front panels too.

Post by **redline** » 22 Dec 2006 10:01 am

back end is wrong for the 405 dakar

but peugeot did make a rear engined rally 205

the tailgate was hinged halfway up the roof hence the wierd square rear side windows

Post by **jtbo** » 22 Dec 2006 10:22 am

Back end is wrong as I think that is bit of hybrid, front wings, bonnet, lights and grille might have been sourced from that 405 dakar, rest is 205, maybe?

Post by **Chris_C** » 22 Dec 2006 05:17 pm

I thought 306 front lights, but maybe even thinner than that, definately 205 rears though!

Post by **Carl** » 26 Dec 2006 08:45 pm

I think this is the bad boy:

Looks like it's had a new front end since those pics, but I'm pretty sure that's the car.

3.6 litre v12 sourced from BMW apparently.[/img]