thoughts on 2.3 performance....

[Edcase 300]

Hi people. Basically just wondering if anyone is running a fuel injected B230 in thier Volvo?

My experience with the B200E in my 360 (bear in mind its probably never ran 100% right) is that it lacks the initial poke of the 340 1.7 which my parents used to have but once up to speed pulls quite well (good on the motorway).

How would a B230E for instance (130 ish bhp & 185 nm) behave in the 360? (Without mods to the engine-stock B230 EFi engine).

I know the B200E develops peak torque quite high up the rpm band but i dont like reving her past 4500 in spirited drives (get noisey etc).
The B230E ( i think) develops peak torque lower down the rev range (it seems to have wider powerband) Would a stock B230E be nicer to drive (more responsive-im not looking for out and out perfrmance but somethign more responsive tbh than my B200E-I also hear the B230 isnt hugely thirstier then the B200E?)

I dont know much about this subject so i just want to know everyones thoughts Dont be shy

[SteveP]

Ideally you want a B230F... running LH2.4 management which is Lambda controlled compared to the mechanical fuel injection of the B230E. I think you'd find a b230 running on decent fuel injection to be a bit of a revelation in a 360! You'd have to change flywheel though as the timing markings are different for Bosch LH2.4 compared to the 360's original LE-Jet

[Edcase 300]

i really like the sound of that is it worth risking getting the lump from the scrappie/breakers? I tried getting in touch with Braydon Motors who re volvo breakers but when i mentioned that i was looking for an engine they didnt reply back

[SteveP]

If you can find one with sensible mileage (preferably under 150k, saying that they're not exactly stressed in N/A form!) a scrappy is the place to go! Don't pay more than £150-200 though, some places have silly ideas as to how much engines are worth. If possible get the lot from a 240, as the engine management wiring is much easier to detach from the main electrical wiring loom. Alternatively, if your original engine is ok a conversion to LH 2.4 using B200F ecu's, flywheel, wiring and sensors would be a nice improvement in my opinion. Both in terms of economy and performance/response. I suppose though if you're going to the efforts of swapping a flywheel the engine swap isn't too bad additionally.

[Edcase 300]

aahhh sweet exactly what i like to hear Im loded with info-my next tep is to start looking about!

[SteveP]

Oh also you'll have to modify the bellhousing for the LH 2.4 timing sensor.

This performance calculator is usually quite a good estimate....

http://www.letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp

130bhp and 1100kg gives

Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 120.08
0 - 60 (Secs) : 8.63
0 - 100 (Secs) : 26.76
60 - 100 (Secs) : 18.14
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 17.10
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 79.92

Personally I'd consider a hotter cam, say a K or H Volvo cam or import one from Sweden... and Dai's 4-2-1 manifold with a 2.5" system from there back. I can't see why 140-150bhp isn't achievable like that.

[Edcase 300]

Those are some exciting looking figures! The 360 should have had a 2.3 (or these figures-even though its no slouch when it wants to be)...

You know i felt pretty inspired by the post so i went about getting to my fuel pump... so i got under the car and went to remove the bolts to get the heat shield out to get the fuel pump+filter out (to do an inspection)...but found that two last bolts were just not budging im now considering angle grinder brutishness to get them off...

Not surpirsed some of the bolts were siezed though (22 yrs old now)...i also (whilst in the undercar adventure realised that its not 'too' bad rust wise but my sills and wings are buggered..oh well..i'll be stripping the car out eventually to get some bodywork done...im getting carried away and sounding like a Smith's song hahaa)

Im liking the idea of a Dai special 4-2-1 manifold + 2.5" system and hot cam goodness ... with those mods id probs see about getting some uprated suspension goodness and tyreage... hehe

[vØlvØfreak]

Im liking the idea of a Dai special 4-2-1 manifold + 2.5" system and hot cam goodness ... with those mods id probs see about getting some uprated suspension goodness and tyreage... hehe

And you haven't seen a pic of it yet? It is pure porn mate



I was also thinking of getting one.... maybe a groupbuy is an option? They are quite expensive

[Edcase 300]

... must start saving up.... Some lovely work

[jtbo]

Oh also you'll have to modify the bellhousing for the LH 2.4 timing sensor.

This performance calculator is usually quite a good estimate....

http://www.letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp

130bhp and 1100kg gives

Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 120.08
0 - 60 (Secs) : 8.63
0 - 100 (Secs) : 26.76
60 - 100 (Secs) : 18.14
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 17.10
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 79.92

Personally I'd consider a hotter cam, say a K or H Volvo cam or import one from Sweden... and Dai's 4-2-1 manifold with a 2.5" system from there back. I can't see why 140-150bhp isn't achievable like that.

If running FI 150 is quite much most one can get before swapping in bigger injectors, but then again, put same mods to B230 and it is 20-30hp more than with B200?

My B200 with K-cam and MS got about 9 seconds for 2nd gear idle to limiter and as you probably know first 2-3k are bit slow compared to above 3k.

0-60 time is slowed down with change to 3rd gear in our cars, with 360GL 3rd gear is also quite tall so I don't know if calculator is very accurate in there, but I know that there is plenty of performance to keep up with traffic and compared to stock, overtaking voids your license very easily as where before you get into 120kph with mods you end up to 150kph

[Chris_C]

0-60 time is slowed down with change to 3rd gear in our cars, with 360GL 3rd gear is also quite tall so I don't know if calculator is very accurate in there, but I know that there is plenty of performance to keep up with traffic and compared to stock, overtaking voids your license very easily as where before you get into 120kph with mods you end up to 150kph

Up the rev limit Since I've had my valver in I've not noticed the 3rd gear hole, huge amount more low end torque and top end pull all the way to 7grand

It's almost as though Volvo were expecting Adam to come along

[jtbo]

Up the rev limit Since I've had my valver in I've not noticed the 3rd gear hole, huge amount more low end torque and top end pull all the way to 7grand

It's almost as though Volvo were expecting Adam to come along

Upping rev limit would require too much of work, B200 with thin rods is not ideal for a screamer really, chicken bones tend to snap

I'm perfectly happy with stock 101hp now, probably will not even rev past 4k anyway, feeling tad old age hitting and so on

[foggyjames]

I just thought I'd stop by to add that this thread is entirely full of good advice! Take heed of what's been said here and you'll be laughing.

cheers

James

[Edcase 300]

This thread is Gold... (ive even made notes onto powerpoint format as im wierd and love compiling research into powerpoint format)...

[whiskeyonesix]

Absolutely! Can we get one of the Admin chaps to Sticky this?